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Subject:Just to keep you all up to date...
Time:08:53 pm
This article was linked to the Gallatin River homepage (my net provider) and I thought it was interesting. Take a gander.

FOXNews:

Report Shows Decades of Catholic Sex Abuse in Ireland
Tuesday, October 25, 2005


DUBLIN, Ireland — Former bishops, police and state agencies did far too little to prevent the alleged sexual abuse of more than 100 children by Roman Catholic (search) priests in southeast Ireland over a 36-year period, a report published Tuesday charged.

The 2 1/2-year probe, led by retired Irish Supreme Court Judge Frank Murphy, found that two former bishops of the Ferns diocese, Brendan Comiskey and Donal Herlihy, protected — and even helped to promote — abusers within the clergy.

The report also found that Ireland's national police force rarely investigated complaints of abuse properly — and kept no records of any such cases before 1988. In addition, it said officials at government-appointed health boards sometimes failed to act on reports of abuse.

Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin (search), whose archdiocese faces its own fact-finding probe into how Catholic leaders mishandled more than 100 abuse cases, said the church accepted Murphy's findings, which he called "horrific."

"Many people would not have suffered abuse had the people with knowledge about it acted in a timely matter," he said. "It's only when the whole truth about this comes out that we'll be able to pick up the pieces."

Just as in the United States (search), the Catholic Church has been rocked badly by sex-abuse scandals in Ireland. In 1994, the Irish government fell apart over its failure to extradite a serially abusive priest to neighboring Northern Ireland. That case opened the floodgates for thousands of complaints of abuse in the country's churches and church-run schools, orphanages and workhouses going back to the 1940s.

Murphy's investigation involved the interviewing of more than 100 alleged victims of abuse by 21 priests — eight of whom have since died — from 1966 to 2002. Allegations against five other priests were included in an appendix.

Comiskey resigned in 2002 after admitting he had not done enough to prevent abuse, particularly by the Rev. Sean Fortune, who committed suicide in 1999 after being charged with 66 counts of molesting and raping teenage boys.

The report found that Herlihy ordained "clearly unsuitable" candidates for the priesthood and repeatedly transferred priests who were accused of abuse to duties in England, but only temporarily. It also said Comiskey's efforts to investigate abuse allegations were woefully inadequate, most crucially against Fortune.

Two of Fortune's alleged victims committed suicide.

Other priests named in the report included the late Rev. James Grennan, who was accused of molesting 10 girls in a rural church in 1988, but never faced criminal punishment. Another priest, Martin Clancy, allegedly left money in his 1993 will to the woman he had raped, and impregnated, more than two decades before when she was 14.

In Ireland's parliament, Prime Minister Bertie Ahern (search) called the report "a catalogue of serial abuse and gross dereliction of duty." He said it was "obviously shocking that it went on for decades."

Justice Minister Michael McDowell said the government would refer the report's contents to state prosecutors for potential use against some of the priests, most of whom were not identified by name in the report.

He also said the government would draft a law making it a crime to engage "in conduct that creates a substantive risk" of child abuse "or failing to take reasonable steps to alleviate such risk." Such an offense would allow bishops or other supervisory officials to face criminal charges if they didn't report abuse to authorities.

Colm O'Gorman, a former Ferns altar boy who was the first to make a criminal complaint against Fortune in 1995, said the report was impressive — and highlighted the fact that just two of the priests implicated have been convicted of any crime.

"That's the real failure here," said O'Gorman, who leads an Irish group called One in Four that offers support to abuse victims and seeks to bring charges against abusers in the church.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173457,00.html


Oh, and so you all know, the Pope is calling for fair treatment with priests (see the related stories section on the article page).


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Subject:the problem with evangelical "sola" scriptura
Time:11:58 am
basic part of faith (for the protestants here). These five solas are the doctrine of the protestant reformation.

Sola scriptura (Latin by Scripture alone) is one of five important slogans of the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. It meant that Scripture is the Church's only infallible rule for deciding issues of faith and practices that involve doctrines. (more here)

Solus Christus (Christ Alone) The exclusivity of Christ; Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, and there is no other name by which men can be saved. Neither Mary, the saints, false gods, nor the sinner himself can bring salvation.

Sola gratia (Grace Alone) Salvation comes by grace only, not through any merit on the part of the sinner. Thus salvation is an unearned gift.

Sola fide (Faith Alone), also historically known as the justification of faith, is a doctrine held by some Protestant denominations of Christianity, which asserts that it is on the basis of their faith that believers are forgiven their transgressions of the Law of God, rather than on the basis of good works which they have done.

Soli Deo gloria (Glory to God alone) All the glory is God's, since He did all the work, not only the atonement on the Cross, but even granting the faith which allows men to be saved by that atonement. Each aspect of Salvation is a gift from God, and thus all praise is His, not man's. The reformers believed that human beings (such as the Catholic saints and popes) and their organizations (the Church) were not worthy of the glory that was bestowed on them.

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It seems far to many people today have focused only on sola scriptura, making it solo scriptura. Many envangelical chruchs have done this. It may seem a small issue, but it has greatly (and negatively effected) Western Christianity. As Keith Mathison said, "Instead of being defined as the sole infallible authority, the Bible is said to be the “sole basis of authority", and destroys many traiditions. It results in people without proper training, and without proper knowledge, to interpret the Bible for themselves. It gives every protestant the power of the Pope in deciding the direction of his faith. This leads to a bunch of people claiming mutually exclusive things that they all think the Bible teaches. That makes biblical TRUTH subjective (a bit of an oxymoron). That in itself is a HUGE problem in evangelical Christianity. If it's all based on the Bible, who decides which one is right? The next biggest problem with that is does not recogonize the sinfulness of humans in discovering their own meanings. Also, with many unlearned in basic theology, this leads to some blind spots. I've often heard that those who don't know anything about the bible can then translate it "without bias". no. they can't, they don't. They bring their secular bias into the Bible. It leads to a lot of blind spots.

next time, I'll try to get into the next problem:
it leads to the ignoring of the creeds.
The Nicene Creed, The Apostles Creed,
and many of the other creeds.




what I pulled a lot of this from
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Time:06:06 pm
i think we should debate the inerrancy/errancy of the bible, and the importance of each.

i feel that the bible was written by man, which is imperfect. i also feel that one's spirituality and faith should not be based entirely on the bible, nor should it be based on the inerrancy of the bible. that means if there is one single simple error in the bible, than it proves to be useless. and the fact that there are thousands of different factions of christianity proves that the bible can be interpreted more than one way. saying the bible is inerrant would mean that only one of those factions would be right, and all the others would be wrong. i think when one reads the bible that they keep in mind that man did write the bible, imperfect man. and further more, that the bible is a selection of only a few of the many many many books written that were "inspired by god."
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Time:12:17 pm
I can only think of one part of the Bible that has something against suicide, I can' remember the exact verses, erm something about God has the power to make life so let no man take life or something (i'm rubbish at verses). can anyone come up with anything about suicide? I went away to a weekend and soemone asked about whether suicide was wrong. I went away and thought about it, and thats all I can come up with.
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Time:04:19 pm
Hey folks, I know Raven55 isn't here yet but I wanna toos it up anyway.

How do you all feel on premarital sex?
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Subject:The Trinity
Time:10:45 am
Well, this is where we'll start I suppose. I have sent a number of people out to gather info on the trinity for me, and I'm plowing through my Bible and a topical concordance, and an encyclopedia of Bible knowledge... all to try and wrap my mind around this concept.

So far I've established that the connection between the Father, the Son,a nd the Holy Ghost is in that they are all God. However, each has a different purpose and nature. While all are righteous, they all use it to accomplish different purposes.

God the Father, being the Creator, uses His righteousness for judgment (Job 21:30, Proverbs 11:4, Matthew 7:2) and establishment (Genesis 1:1, Genesis 8:21-22, Exodus 20:1-17.) He is the Begining and the End... etc etc.

God the Son, being the Messiah, uses His righteousness for teaching (Matthew 7:28-29) and salvation (Romans 5:8, Romans 6:23, Romans 10:17, John 6:47). He is the Lamb that died and rose again so that we couold have eternal life.

God the Spirit, being the Comforter, uses His righteousness for correction (Romans 8, 1 Corinthians 2:11) and... comforting (Romans 5:5, John 14:16-17). He is the Spirit of God in us, that not only gives us peace but also gives us understanding.



But how do you see the Trinity of Righteousness?
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Subject:Where is Judas Iscariot?
Time:03:05 pm
Current Mood:apatheticapathetic
In all four of the gospels, there is a common thread concerning Judas Iscariot: none of the penholders allow you to forget for a moment that Judas betrayed Jesus.

Little is known of him beyond this fact. His name 'Iscariot' hints that he was a Palestinian (thus the only non-Galilean among the apostles), and we see from John 12:6 that he was a greedy man. "This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief; and had the bag, and bare what was put therein." He sold Jesus for thirty pieces of silver, was overcome with grief, and he killed himself. Some accounts he is hung and others his bowels are spilt across a field. Most scholars agree that both are possible and that Judas fell while attempting to hang himself. Some simply believe that he had hung himself and his body was later removed and thrown into a ravine.

What people disagree on is where he is now. Most people believe Judas Iscariot is tormented eternally in the Hell described in Luke 16:23-24 and Revelations 20:10, 14-15. However, there are those who believe he's at home in glory.

Matthew 27:3-5 reads (my own emphasis in bold), "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

"Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

"And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Judas Iscariot admits he has sinned, confesses Christ's perfection in a sense, and repents of what he did. Aren't those the steps most of us make towards salvation? While Judas' betrayl is a horrible thing, yes it did bring about the death and resurrection of Christ- something Christians galore rejoice about. While fueled by worldly things, Judas had an unwitting hand in one of the greatest events of all time; and he still seems to repent for what he did. The evidence against him seems to be in Acts and Revelation. Most perceive scripture in Revelation to imply that the twelve apostles are gathered in Heaven with Christ- but Acts 1:16-26 shows how Matthias was chosen to join the apostles in place of the departed Judas.

So... any opinions on where Judas Iscariot is spending the rest of eternity?
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Subject:Greetings
Time:08:35 pm
Hello everybody! Let me first start by saying that if you want to read a lot about what two of us fundamental baptists believe, go to my LJ (bby_rep) or Dustin's (</span>mc_preacherboy).



Now, I hope this site grows and that everybody will get something positive out of this, and maybe even have lives changed. This community does not have open posting, but if you are granted membership, you will be able to post automatically.



Now, I just hope you all enjoy this and let's make it a clean fight ;)

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