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Time:04:19 pm
Hey folks, I know Raven55 isn't here yet but I wanna toos it up anyway.

How do you all feel on premarital sex?
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astrodoom
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Time:2005-01-21 04:14 am (UTC)
bad.
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lillybeloved
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Time:2005-01-21 05:21 am (UTC)
:runs back to xtian teen post from november:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/christian_teens/101403.html

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mc_preacherboy
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Time:2005-01-21 05:22 am (UTC)
I already said my peace on this: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mc_preacherboy/2319.html
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-21 05:55 am (UTC)
i'm not real read-up on premarital sex in the bible, mainly because i don't think its a real issue that should matter. what should matter is whether the act is sown in loveless lust, or not. i think marriage isn't so that God will recognize it, but so the church will recognize it. so with that said, if a love is true, then what difference should it make if its before or after marriage? god will recognize it regardless, he's omni-everything.
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eggy_banana
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Time:2005-01-21 08:45 pm (UTC)
Marriage links you and your partner as 'one' with God. Thats how i see it anyway
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lilpunk83188
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Time:2005-01-21 02:16 pm (UTC)
where I stand in that sex before marriege is wrong, it says right there in the bible...but things happen and you can be forgiven...
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-21 07:15 pm (UTC)
show me the exact verse that says "sex before marriege is wrong"
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-21 09:09 pm (UTC)
Fornication is sex before marriage

1 Cor. 7:1-2

Galatians 5:19-21
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lilpunk83188
Subject:sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-21 09:16 pm (UTC)
1 Thessalonians 4:3-4
"It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you sholuld avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is hole and honorable, not is passionat lust like the heathen, who do not know God;"

1 Corinthians 6:13
"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food-but God will destroy then both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body"

and here is where is talks about man and woman comeing together as one

Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read" he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father adn mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let not separate."

I know I had a few more but I cant find them right now...
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:17 am (UTC)
none of those verses have shown me that pre-marital sex is immoral.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:19 am (UTC)
I suggested some...
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:24 am (UTC)
i realize that, and the second verse you suggested made sense. but i go back to idea that if the love is true and honest, than marriage wouldn't matter. i don't think god needs a ritual for him to recognize love.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:26 am (UTC)
First of all, God created the ritual, and love is confused often with lost.

God doesn't need a ceremony to recognize love, man does.


Also, I said in the rules debates must be Biblical... And you aren't exactly using verses to bnack up your argument either :-p
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:28 am (UTC)
i apologize, but i don't feel that someone's faith should be based on the inerency of the bible, it was afterall written by man. though it may have been inspired by god, not-perfect man still wrote it.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:35 am (UTC)
But this community was founded on biblical debate, and I have faith that God's word is just as perfect as it's author, the Holy Ghost.

A man's hand wrote with the ink, but that's all.
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:37 am (UTC)
the holy ghost most definitely was in the men who wrote the bible, but the bible was not written by the holy ghost. it was written by men who may have been affected by it.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:39 am (UTC)
"In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

I think the Bible was written before it's human writers were even alive.
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:40 am (UTC)
the Word isn't the bible, the Word is Jesus. the bible says that Jesus was the embodiment of God's word.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:53 am (UTC)
The Word, is the Bible.

"God's Holy Word"

Because Christ is the embodiment of God's Word, His righteousness.

Christ didn't come out of nowhere, it was the Holy Spirit overshadowing Mary. The Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible, that is why He explains it's teachings and laws to us.
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eggy_banana
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:09 pm (UTC)
I agree with the Word is God's and the Bible is the Word of God.
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:28 am (UTC)
and what evidence is there to support that god created the ritual?
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:36 am (UTC)
Genesis 2:21-25
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:38 am (UTC)
doesn't seem to me like a marriage ceremony.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:46 am (UTC)
I see man and wife :-p

In God's eyes, marriage is important.

And, marriage isn't for God anyway...

Well, that sounds bad...

Marriage isn't something God does for fun. It's to keep us from fornication (1 Corinthians 7:2) and it won't be in Heaven (Matthew 22:30).

So, this tells me the only purposes of marriage are

A) So man won't be alone (Genesis 2:18)
B) To prevent fornication (Matthew 22:30)
C) To give two people a feeling of love for one another that is secure and Pure (Ecclesiates 9:9)
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:49 am (UTC)
your whole arguement is based off of personal interpretation. you feel that god invented marriage. i feel that he didn't. neither one of us can prove it either way.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:55 am (UTC)
I just did?

God didn't necesarilly 'invent' marriage, I suppose.

He invented a man cleaving to his wife.

Which is what marriage is supposed to be.
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:59 am (UTC)
exactly, i'm sure the question you were asking, was if sex before the ritual of marriage was ok or not. i say yes, the bible doesn't speak of an exact ritual to get married to.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 01:04 am (UTC)
I didn't say anything about a ritual.

I used the term 'premarital.'


So, if you see marriage as a ritual, that's fine.

I see it as a connection... a very specific one.
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:57 am (UTC)
a)doesn't speak of marriage
b)that verse doesn't say anything of fornication
c)this verse speaks of having your wife, but no where have i seen the set rituals for marriage in the bible.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:59 am (UTC)
You need a KJV

I'll brb witht he verses.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 01:03 am (UTC)
A) "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

See, God says it's not good for man to be alone. That's why God created the help meet, or the wife for Adam. Today we call the help meet a 'spouse.'


B) 1 Corinthians 7:2 * "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

God says here, right HERE, we have marriaeg to avoid fornication.


C) "Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life..."

Here, God says to love the wife for all the days.. then continues to describe the days.


Sorry about the error up there, but it shoulda been clear if you looked up 1 Cor 7:2 that fornication is a no-no.
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 01:23 am (UTC)
the term marriage is subjective.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 02:14 am (UTC)
*shrug*

Okay... Let me reword it for you.

"Do you think there is anything wrong with having sex before you cleave to your help meet?"
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-26 05:52 am (UTC)
thank you, and that is yes.
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bby_rep
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-26 10:00 pm (UTC)
Alright...

I'm gonna regive you priveleges :-p

I have been having a real hard time lately and I got really frustrated with your statements. But.. I'm feeling pretty good and I think... Although you aren't 'following the rules' what you have to say is important.
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ddam
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-27 04:05 am (UTC)
what you've done is well appreciated, thank you.
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eggy_banana
Subject:Re: sexual immorality
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Time:2005-01-22 12:12 pm (UTC)
Also marriage proves that you're serious. Think about it, why would you get married jsut to have sex? Marriage is liek saying to everyone we are in love, and we aren't scared toshow everyone, i also see marriage as a bond between the man and woman and God.
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enoyveci
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Time:2012-07-09 08:55 pm (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6M_6qOz-yw
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