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[ddam]
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Time:06:06 pm
i think we should debate the inerrancy/errancy of the bible, and the importance of each.

i feel that the bible was written by man, which is imperfect. i also feel that one's spirituality and faith should not be based entirely on the bible, nor should it be based on the inerrancy of the bible. that means if there is one single simple error in the bible, than it proves to be useless. and the fact that there are thousands of different factions of christianity proves that the bible can be interpreted more than one way. saying the bible is inerrant would mean that only one of those factions would be right, and all the others would be wrong. i think when one reads the bible that they keep in mind that man did write the bible, imperfect man. and further more, that the bible is a selection of only a few of the many many many books written that were "inspired by god."
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rhianna_lynn
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Time:2005-01-24 03:35 am (UTC)
Question:

If we must believe that there are errors in the Bible, how do we know what is and what isn't?
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 03:39 am (UTC)
well, on the subject of history, what really matters about it? if you can apply it to the "has knowing this made your life any better, or your walk with god any better?" question, and get the answer "no" then it being wrong or right doesn't make a difference. in my opinion at least.
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 03:40 am (UTC)
for example, the whole creation of the universe. how much does that really matter?
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-24 04:26 am (UTC)
God said it happened?

Doubt the word and you doubt the Son...

Without the Son, you're gonna have a 'crispy' eternity.

There's verses for that, but tis past my bedtime. Remind me and I'll serve them up.
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 04:29 am (UTC)
i'm not doubting god for a second, what i'm doubting, is the relavence of it.
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-24 04:29 am (UTC)
But the Bible does say, if you doubt the Word, you doubt God.
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 04:31 am (UTC)
i'm not doubting jesus, which is the embodiment of god's word. you fail to realize that the bible is not god's word, the bible is man's word.
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-24 04:34 am (UTC)
You fail to be able to post in this any longer ;)
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 04:43 am (UTC)
you're banning me because i have an opinion that differs from yours?
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-24 04:47 am (UTC)
I'm denying you the privelage of starting more debates because you fail to follow my rules.

I said that these debates must be Biblical... as in, you can support them from things in the Bible. You're denying that the Bible is even God's... so... you not only broke one of two rules, but you basically just ran down the entire point of this community by saying the Word I base it on isn't always true.

So.. you can still comment and you are still a member... but you cannot start debates until you can manage to back up your opinion with scripture, as is in the rules.
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 04:48 am (UTC)
i won't deny that god inspired mostly what man wrote in the bible. but god himself did not write the bible.
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-24 04:53 am (UTC)
Where's the verses for that?

I can support my statement that God is the Word.

John 1:1 states that in the beginning, the Word was God.

John 10:30 states that Jesus and God are one.

So, Jesus, being the Word, is also God.
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 04:58 am (UTC)
where does it say that the bible is god's Word?
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-24 05:35 am (UTC)
It is suggested in Psalm 119:9-16

When the psalmnist tells God repeatedly, to elp him remember the words of God.
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 05:42 am (UTC)
it doesn't say that the bible is god's word anywhere. the reason why the bible has no place in it that says it is the word of god, is because the bible was assembled long after it was written. you won't find anywhere in the bible saying that it is the words of god. you will find however that bible says jesus is god's Word. i go back to my original statement, the bible was written by man, and for the most part inspired by god. the bible also was assembled by man, leaving out many of other books that were "inspired by god." the question i ask you, is what makes the bibles in the bible, any more inspired by god than the ones that weren't?
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-24 01:10 pm (UTC)
In my opinion, the Bible is complete.
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ddam
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Time:2005-01-24 05:43 am (UTC)
correction to previous post:
what makes the books in the bible any more inspired by god than the ones that weren't included in the bible?
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lillybeloved
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Time:2005-01-24 06:24 am (UTC)
hey now, I back up my posts entirely with scripture, and I did even when I didn't believe in inerrancy. I can debate philosophy with someone nihilistic and quote nietzche, but that doesn't mean I am a nihilist.
I think he has a good question too.
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bby_rep
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Time:2005-01-24 01:12 pm (UTC)
I'm fine with suggesting that it's a good question, but it's not what I made this community for. The basic idea was for people of different denominations and such to debate why their denomination does something, and back it up with verses.

I will not have people trashing my beliefs if they can't back it up in a Biblical way.
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lillybeloved
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Time:2005-01-24 02:22 pm (UTC)
I don't think asking if the bible is inerrant is trashing your beliefs actually.
and um, some denominations such as Church of Christ actually DON'T hold the position that the Bible is Infallible. Others, like the Gnostic Church of Christ, think your version of the bible is totally off. Hence, it does belong in this community, as it is within the realm of Christian beliefs and practices.
Church of Christ- see Jer 8:8 & whatever other verse I posted below.
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mc_preacherboy
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Time:2005-01-26 12:17 am (UTC)
I have to agree. This is a good debate, turned exhaustive. Simply asking one to explain why we take the Bible as anything relevant is technically a "spirited debate". I very much so believe it belongs here. Those us professing Christians with a love of God's truth should be able to deliver up verse after verse to answer this question.

However, [Unknown LJ tag] makes it an exhausting course, as he did back in the pre-martial sex debate. The question has been answered quite accurately, with scripture. Part of the problem comes from our little buddy who, when an answer is given, merely asks the same question. It feels like the clichéd saying of "in one ear and out the other".

Not that I am saying that anyone has to take what someone says at face value as- forgive the expression- the gospel truth; but at least have the decency to actually consider what the person is saying. My apologies if this seems as though I am directing this at you caffeinefree, I'm not. Merely just replying to you and saying I'm a little vexed by this seemingly endless cycle.

ddam, it feels like you're going in circles. Yes, the Bible was penned by man, but God gave them the words to put to paper. Many question how the apostle Peter could have penned the epistles attributed him. The language of the epistles of Peter are above the capabilities of a poor Galilean fisherman. Now, while that could be evidence that it was not written by Peter, consider that the epistles of Peter reflect having actually known Christ- having been through all that the apostles must have witnessed. The only answer I believe is that God can do anything, and if he wants to use a man who most believe was likely illiterate to pen a polished part of Bible doctrine- more power to him. Things like THIS cause me to believe that while God used mere mortals to pen the Bible- it is still his message to us; and if my Creator, Lord, and Saviour has something to say to me... I'm going to pay close attention to it. :) God is perfect, and I don't believe his word to have any errors or mistakes or transgressions of any kind within it. I believe on it, with all that I am and I'll be praying that you can come to find a similar peace.
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lillybeloved
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Time:2005-01-26 04:49 am (UTC)
Peter was only a poor Galilean fisherman after he had training to be a rabbi, and no rabbi would take him on. The disiples were quite learned, they just never got mentors until Jesus.
I believe it was the scholar Gary David Comstock who once said, "Instead of making the Bible a parental authority, I have made it a friend- as one I have made a commitment to and one I have invested in dearly, but on whom I on a mutal exchange of critque, encouragement, support and challenge."
I believe in biblical inerrancy of the original, but certianly not of the current, and my peace is with God, as the bible is in my heart moreso than on paper.

btw, no offence taken. I was kinda playing devils advocate here.
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mc_preacherboy
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Time:2005-01-26 04:50 am (UTC)
"my peace is with God, as the bible is in my heart moreso than on paper."

That is quite possibly one of the most sobering things I have ever heard.
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lillybeloved
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Time:2005-01-26 04:53 am (UTC)
can i take that as a good thing?
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mc_preacherboy
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Time:2005-01-26 04:54 am (UTC)
Very much so.

It's just one of those things that makes you stop and go, "Oh, faboo..."
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lillybeloved
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Time:2005-01-24 06:36 am (UTC)
The Bible was written by man, and was inspired by God, as 2 Timothy 3:16. But obviously, people physically wrote it and messed with it (per Jeremiah 8:8, Deuteronomy 31:25-29).
The people we know/consider to have physically written parts of the bible are Moses, Joshua, Samuel, Jeremiah, Ezra, The Men of the Great Synagogue, King David, Heman the Ezrahite, Ethan the Ezrahite, Asaph, The sons of Korah, King Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, The apostle Matthew, Mark, Luke, The apostle John, James, Jude, The apostle Peter, and the apostle Paul.
Spirituality SHOULD go beyond the Bible, into our PERSONAL relationship with God. The law will be written on our hearts with the help of the Holy Spirit, and we will find the proper way to read the Bible through God's eyes.

There are a few different bibles, with different books. The Catholic book contains apocryphia, the orthodox church contains apocryphia and other books, the protestant church CUT books from the bible, and other churches have added (LDS have the book of Moroni, ect).I personally believe that some books that are non-canonical in the Protestant Bible Should be. I.E. The Wisdom of Solomon, although it is very much like proverbs, I think should be in the Bible.
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eggy_banana
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Time:2005-01-24 06:49 pm (UTC)
Ok I read all the posts and I'm exhausted.
I have to admit I'm in agreement with bby, cos why would God allow something to be published as His word if it wasnt?
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